John B Wells interviews Falun Dafa Spokesmen about Organ Harvesting
Via John B. Wells. Interview Begins at 1:38:17
In a recent interview with John B. Wells, Falun Dafa representatives Leeshai Lemish and Cynthia Sun explored some of the most sensitive and controversial issues surrounding modern China. The conversation ranged from Lemish’s firsthand experience at Tiananmen Square to the growing body of evidence regarding forced organ harvesting, a practice that has taken on heightened significance following a recent hot mic exchange between Chinese leader Xi Jinping and Russian President Vladimir Putin.
Lemish began by recalling her early exposure to the Chinese regime’s violent crackdown on peaceful dissent. Tiananmen Square, forever marked in the world’s memory by the massacre of pro-democracy students in 1989, provided the backdrop for her awakening to the deep dissonance between the Chinese Communist Party’s propaganda and the lived reality of its citizens. She described how the Party has maintained control not only through military force but also through the manipulation of truth, rewriting history, and silencing voices of conscience. This experience, she explained, shaped her lifelong commitment to exposing human rights abuses and standing with those who resist authoritarian control.
Cynthia Sun and Leeshai Lemish on Organ Harvesting
The discussion soon turned to the plight of Falun Dafa practitioners, who have endured a campaign of persecution since 1999. Sun outlined how practitioners have been detained by the hundreds of thousands, subjected to torture, forced labor, and relentless propaganda designed to vilify them in the eyes of the Chinese public. What makes their suffering even more chilling, she stressed, are the credible allegations that Falun Dafa practitioners have become the primary source for China’s booming organ transplant industry.
Sun explained how investigators have pieced together evidence over the years: sudden surges in transplant operations, unusually short wait times for vital organs, testimony from former detainees who described systematic medical testing, and even admissions by doctors in recorded phone calls. Together, these strands point to the existence of a state-sanctioned organ harvesting system, in which prisoners of conscience—often detained without trial—are killed to supply a lucrative market in organs.
For years, international observers have struggled to break through the fog of denials from Beijing. The Chinese government insists that reforms introduced in the past decade have established a voluntary organ donation system, yet the numbers and the secrecy continue to raise red flags. The picture that emerges is of a regime willing to commodify human life in service of profit and political control.
What makes this issue even more urgent is a startling incident that occurred just days earlier. At a commemorative military parade in Tiananmen Square, Xi Jinping and Vladimir Putin were caught on a live microphone discussing organ transplantation and human longevity. Xi referred to predictions that humans might live to 150 years in this century, while Putin mused about the possibility of “continuous transplantation” as a means of rejuvenation. To Sun and Lemish, this was no idle speculation—it was a revealing glimpse into the mindset of leaders who appear to see organ replacement not as a human rights crisis but as a scientific frontier.
The hot mic moment has reverberated globally because it seemed to validate what Falun Dafa practitioners and human rights investigators have long alleged: that the Chinese leadership not only condones organ harvesting but also regards it as integral to its vision of the future. What might have once been dismissed as conspiracy theory is now underscored by the unguarded words of Xi himself, lending new credibility to the claims of victims and whistleblowers.
Lemish and Sun emphasized that this is not simply a Chinese issue. The globalization of medicine and the rise of transplant tourism mean that patients from around the world may unwittingly become complicit in these abuses. They argued that the international community bears responsibility to confront the problem, whether by passing legislation to block organ trafficking, demanding transparency from China, or amplifying the voices of survivors.
Throughout the interview, both guests framed the conversation in moral as well as political terms. At Tiananmen Square, Lemish witnessed the brutal suppression of ideals that resonate universally: truth, freedom, and dignity. Today, those same values are at stake in the fight to expose and end forced organ harvesting. The hot mic incident between Xi and Putin has thrown this issue into stark relief, turning what once seemed distant into a present and undeniable reality.
Wells closed the conversation by underscoring the gravity of what was discussed. Organ harvesting is not only a crime against individuals; it is a crime against humanity itself. With renewed global attention sparked by Xi’s careless words, the voices of people like Lemish and Sun remind the world that behind every statistic is a life cut short—and that silence in the face of such abuses is complicity.
