Tosh Plumlee Joins Walter Sterling on Another Side of Midnight
Here is a link to Plumlee’s interview in the wake of the shooter at the White House Correspondents Dinner (WHCD):
Below is an interview Tosh Plumlee did with Sterling earlier this month, on April 4th.
Via WABC 77:
Here is the Transcript of the interview:
14:52
14 minutes, 52 secondsThis is TSH Plumbing and you were with the CIA. Is that right? Uh yes. Uh I
14:59
14 minutes, 59 secondsI was military and then got recruited in uh from the Fourth Army Reserve. Now there’s a question right there, TSH.
15:08
15 minutes, 8 secondsHow does it go from being in the military to being recruited into the CIA? How does that happen? What was that process?
15:16
15 minutes, 16 secondsWell, what what happened in 52 when I was 14 years old? What I did? I I um you
15:24
15 minutes, 24 secondssort of run away from home. I wasn’t wasn’t very good in school. So I end up joining the 49th Army Division, Texas National Guard
15:33
15 minutes, 33 secondsum at 14. And u then I used that to switch into the regular army when I was
15:40
15 minutes, 40 seconds15 when I was 16. And then they found out about my age. Uh and um and then I
15:47
15 minutes, 47 secondsgot, you know, into a special unit. Uh they was at that time they were doing a
15:54
15 minutes, 54 secondsa similar recruiting for young kids like juvenile delinquents and they were putting them in a special uh special
16:03
16 minutes, 3 secondstype unit uh and it’s experimental type thing at Fort Bliss and that’s how I got
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16 minutes, 9 secondsassociated with CIA. So it is true. It’s like in the the TV shows and the movies that a kid who is a juvenile delinquent gets recruited into crime fighting.
16:20
16 minutes, 20 secondsWell, that Yeah. Right. And that was based off they did a movie uh what the Dirty Dozen or something like that. Uh
16:27
16 minutes, 27 secondsthat was based on World War II when they were taking uh prisoners out of uh p uh you know out of penitentiies and then
16:35
16 minutes, 35 secondsput them into a special unit uh training in Germany. They used that started an experimental unit uh like that in the
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16 minutes, 43 seconds50s uh here in the United States and they would go into court and you know kids that were in trouble like myself I
16:51
16 minutes, 51 secondswas like a juvenile delinquent wouldn’t go to school and so they felt that uh you know a lot of kids were destined to
16:58
16 minutes, 58 secondsbe uh in a ro you know a life of crime and end up in penitentiary so it’ be better for them to go into the army and
17:07
17 minutes, 7 secondsso that’s what happened in my cases, I had a choice to either go to a juvenile jail, so to speak, or go into the army.
17:16
17 minutes, 16 secondsAnd so I chose the army. Um and um and then as a result, yeah, as a result of that, then got recruited in to a a special unit.
17:27
17 minutes, 27 secondsNow, tell me about the recruitment process. Did they come to you one day and say, “Hey, let’s buy you lunch and we want to talk to you about a special unit.” How does that work?
17:35
17 minutes, 35 secondsNo. Well, how it worked in my case at Fort Bliss, I call it the grenade. We were on the grenade range uh and we were
17:43
17 minutes, 43 secondsthrowing grenades at a little white post and my drill instructor um he dropped a grenade in the bunker where me and
17:50
17 minutes, 50 secondsanother guy was uh you know throwing our grenades and so rather than throw the grenade down range, I picked it up and threw it back at him.
18:00
18 minutesUh it was a it was a practice grenade.
18:03
18 minutes, 3 secondsOf course, I didn’t know that. So, as a result, they ended up taking me to the CO and he wanted to know why I attempted to frag my drill instructor.
18:15
18 minutes, 15 secondsAnd so I told him I and of course the CIA was there. CID, not the CIA but CI criminal investigation detachment was
18:24
18 minutes, 24 secondsthere when I was talking to the the CO because I was, you know, had allegedly was going to frag my drill instructor.
18:35
18 minutes, 35 secondsAnd so I told him, I said, “Well, I wasn’t going to give that so another chance to throw a grenade at me and my my uh buddy.” And so this this one guy,
18:48
18 minutes, 48 secondshe says, “Well,” he says, “You got Moxy.” And so then I told him, I got mad at him because I thought he was accusing
18:55
18 minutes, 55 secondsme of having a like a VD or something like that. So uh and uh so as a result that’s what uh got
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19 minutes, 4 secondsme in uh to that attachment. So shortly after that then I was asked to go to um a specialized training uh program out of
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19 minutes, 13 secondsNagad, North Carolina and that that was the beginning you know. So Raj Tsh I’m sorry Robert TSH Plumney
19:23
19 minutes, 23 secondsRobert Tosh Plum thank you very much for being here tonight. You have an incredible story of going from being a
19:30
19 minutes, 30 secondsjuvenile delinquent to going to a special unit in the army. And now because you’re in this special unit, you
19:37
19 minutes, 37 secondsare asked to participate in one of the most historic, important, and terrifying events of any lifetime. You were asked to go to Dallas in November of 1963.
19:51
19 minutes, 51 secondsand we need to know what it was you were told you were going there for and what you did. The stage is yours, sir. I want to hear this story.
20:01
20 minutes, 1 secondOkay. Well, everything goes back to JFK.
20:04
20 minutes, 4 secondsAnd that was, in my opinion, the beginning of a coup, but um how I got involved in that was a little bit on the
20:13
20 minutes, 13 secondsstrange side. Um I other words I wasn’t actually assigned to that mission. U
20:22
20 minutes, 22 secondswhen I when I was at Fort Bliss I ended up using the GI Bill. I ended up getting my pilots license and got into pilot training. Uh and then later got involved with what they call the Cuban project.
20:33
20 minutes, 33 secondsUh and I was flying arms and ammunition in and out of Cuba. Then when uh when cast when uh Kennedy situation come
20:42
20 minutes, 42 secondsalong, uh a friend of mine was uh uh assigned to that unit which was the
20:51
20 minutes, 51 secondsPentagon had received information that there was supposed to be a hit on the president of the United States. Well, he was assigned to that mission. Basically,
21:00
21 minutesthey asked me, you know, just I was a flight crew. I was the pilot that was flying that crew into Dallas. Other
21:09
21 minutes, 9 secondswords, that was my mission. I was I wasn’t on the mission to go into You were the pilot for the guys who were on that mission, right?
21:16
21 minutes, 16 secondsOn that mission, right? Yeah. And they were dispatched out of the Pentagon with CIA logistical support. So that was that
21:23
21 minutes, 23 secondswas their mission. So when I got to uh Redbird, um my friend Sergio, who was a
21:31
21 minutes, 31 secondsCuban, he he said, “You want to go see the president?” And I said, “Well, hell yeah.” So instead of hanging out there
21:38
21 minutes, 38 secondsat uh the safe place there at Redbird at the Oakliff Country Club, I decided to
21:45
21 minutes, 45 secondsdrive down to the plaza to see the president. So that was my extent. In other words, I wasn’t on a a mission to
21:52
21 minutes, 52 secondsgo in to stop the hit, which I went with them. And then with Sergio, the position was to look for triangulation shooting.
22:03
22 minutes, 3 secondsSo, I’m just tagging along. So, that was other words over the years, it’s got uh sort of twisted around that I was
22:12
22 minutes, 12 secondsassigned to go into Dallas uh and that uh you know to own that particular mission. Well, I was just a I was just a
22:21
22 minutes, 21 secondsco-pilot. Actually, I was a co-pilot that flew in to um from Miami to Tampa
22:28
22 minutes, 28 secondsand then to New Orleans and then into Houston and then in Dallas and uh and then I was just going to stay at Redbird
22:35
22 minutes, 35 secondsairport uh until the mission was completed or whatever they were doing uh and then go back to Miami for debriefing.
22:45
22 minutes, 45 secondsSo, but in the process, that’s how I got involved in the JFK thing. So, I was there, witnessed the actual event and um
22:55
22 minutes, 55 secondssaw what happened and um What did you see? What did happen?
23:00
23 minutesWell, I I saw the I saw I I saw it happen. I mean, just a a few feet away.
23:06
23 minutes, 6 secondsOther words, we had um we had other spotters on on the other side, which would be referred to as the north side.
23:15
23 minutes, 15 secondsAnd um they had radios but uh and the north side couldn’t communicate with the south side
23:23
23 minutes, 23 secondsuh because the radio crystals have been changed for some reason.
23:27
23 minutes, 27 secondsOh wait, so these radio Wait, wait. This is good. Now these radios were supposed to be able to communicate. People on both sides of where Kennedy’s car was.
23:35
23 minutes, 35 secondsThey were supposed to be able to communicate and suddenly they could not.
23:39
23 minutes, 39 secondsWell, the team that went in could not communicate with the south side of the plaza. The north side over there was a
23:48
23 minutes, 48 secondsone of the guys that was on our plane by the name of Gator. He was sitting next to the guy, the umbrella guy, and uh and
23:57
23 minutes, 57 secondshe kept making a sign on his throat like he like cut throat, you know, that meant I couldn’t communicate.
24:04
24 minutes, 4 secondsNow, how many how many how many CIA guys were at De Plaza? How many people were stationed there? I I don’t really know how many for sure.
24:12
24 minutes, 12 secondsI mean, over the years, you know, it’s like Monday night quarterbacking, but in our case, uh I’m looking at five in our team.
24:20
24 minutes, 20 secondsFive and five and possibly maybe another five or six on the other side of the plaza.
24:28
24 minutes, 28 secondsUh there’s a story there. I mean, of course, we’re we’re on radio. We don’t have time to get into all that, but uh there there’s a story there about that
24:36
24 minutes, 36 secondssecond team uh had captured a couple of the shooters. Uh and that was another completely different, you know,
24:44
24 minutes, 44 secondshow many shooters were there? Well, we were looking for triangulation.
24:48
24 minutes, 48 secondsUh which would have been a total of of three or possibly four shooters. Where were the shooters in Daily Plaza?
24:57
24 minutes, 57 secondsOkay. on our side. There was one in the parking lot, one on the south side of the uh triple underpass, and that was on what we call the south null shooters.
25:08
25 minutes, 8 secondsUh and allegedly um and then on the north side there was possibly two shooters over there. So, we
25:17
25 minutes, 17 secondswould have had what we were looking for was triangulation, which would have been uh in the rooftops, maybe one up on one
25:24
25 minutes, 24 secondsof the Deltex buildings. uh the schoolbook depository would have been on the not from one of the floors but would
25:32
25 minutes, 32 secondshave been on top of the building. So all those positions were secure. Uh when we
25:38
25 minutes, 38 secondsgot there we search Joe’s position was to secure the south parking lot. So, we walked through the south parking lot and
25:47
25 minutes, 47 secondsdidn’t see anything at all suspicious uh and went over and was sitting in the shade of a tree by some steps and that’s
25:57
25 minutes, 57 secondswhen the shots were fired. So the the limousine had come right across
26:04
26 minutes, 4 secondsdirectly across from where we were standing and I saw I saw the the
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Assassination Wtness
26 minutes, 13 secondsuh and um and then uh then all hell broke loose. So the uh shooting was uh
26:22
26 minutes, 22 secondsin my opinion was from the front left uh south on the south side front left by the triple underpass
26:30
26 minutes, 30 secondsand that would have been in the south parking lot. That’s my my feeling.
26:35
26 minutes, 35 secondsThat’s what I’ve testified to is that a shot went over our left shoulder. Uh and that’s the shot that hit the president
26:43
26 minutes, 43 secondsand it came from there. would have been it came from the south parking lot with the south side of the triple underpass.
26:50
26 minutes, 50 secondsUh so if you got a picture of the del plaza there overhead looking you can see the south side of the triple underpass.
26:58
26 minutes, 58 secondsThere’s a winged out section there as you go into the south parking lot and uh we did forensics there at that spot with
27:07
27 minutes, 7 secondsSherry Feister who was a forensic expert and Jim Mars and that’s where we come up with the south shot uh that hit the
27:15
27 minutes, 15 secondspresident on the left side left front when he had his face turned. So, of course, that gets into, you know,
27:22
27 minutes, 22 secondsconspiracy theory, speculation,
27:26
27 minutes, 26 secondsum, and all that, but as far as what we saw, what I saw was, uh, that the shot was from the left front, um, you know,
27:37
27 minutes, 37 secondsso, you know, I don’t No, I got it. Now, the the you mentioned the the man with the umbrella. Who was the guy with the umbrella?
27:48
27 minutes, 48 secondsWell, I don’t know. the guy with the umbrella that that in other words that didn’t have anything to in my opinion that didn’t have anything to do at all
27:55
27 minutes, 55 secondswith the assassination. The reason that Gator was sitting next to him is that the guy was close enough to be
28:03
28 minutes, 3 secondssuspicious and that’s what Gator’s position was to do is to sit there not take him out. Other words, people over the years have said, “Oh, there’s going
28:11
28 minutes, 11 secondsto be a shootout.” Uh plumbing said they were there to take him out and stuff like that. No, I meant just get close to him and break the timing, you know, I
28:18
28 minutes, 18 secondsmean, you know, we’re only looking at seconds and uh to break the timing uh stop the stop the timing uh and so and
28:27
28 minutes, 27 secondslook for suspicious people. So that’s what Gator had done and uh he sat down next to this guy in case he was uh you
28:35
28 minutes, 35 secondsknow some kind of a deal. all this stuff about raising this the deal and signaling for a shooter. I mean that’s in my opinion that’s all BS.
28:45
28 minutes, 45 secondsSo there were right so there were three CIA shooters.
28:49
28 minutes, 49 secondsThat’s what you’re telling us. Three. It was triangular. I don’t know if they were CIA shooters.
28:54
28 minutes, 54 secondsUh there was the crew that we had was dispatched with CIA logistical support.
29:00
29 minutesNow, that was our team that well well that was the team that I flew in with Dallas and then I went there to observe.
29:07
29 minutes, 7 secondsI don’t know that they were CIA shooters. I don’t know. I know was I think it was a government hit uh you know uh for many reasons
29:16
29 minutes, 16 secondsbut at that point in time uh we’re not thinking you know in those years the government couldn’t do any wrong. Whatever the government said was
29:24
29 minutes, 24 secondsthe gospel. I mean, whatever was printed, I mean, it was truthful, you know, it’s not like it is now, you know,
29:30
29 minutes, 30 secondsbut uh so, you know, to to think that the government would take out Kennedy at that point in time would be ludicrous.
29:39
29 minutes, 39 secondsThat would be crazy thinking. Um so but as time unfolded and decades unfolded
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29 minutes, 46 secondsand and information then uh the premise changed and the narrative changed and uh and the speculation and the theories and
29:54
29 minutes, 54 secondsthe conspiracies and uh you know that’s why even today what we’re talking about uh like I’ve said in the book or not in
30:02
30 minutes, 2 secondsthe book but I could write 1,500 pages and three pages about JFK and the only interest would be the three pages.
30:11
30 minutes, 11 secondsTosh, what do you think the reason would have been for the government to take him out? Any idea of what the reasoning was?
30:18
30 minutes, 18 secondsWell, okay. My my consensus and has been over the years. There’s two things uh goes back to the national Okay. Kennedy
30:26
30 minutes, 26 secondssigned a directive now. Well, see if I can get this down right. The consensus was that Kennedy was killed because he withdrew air cover from the Bay of Pigs.
30:38
30 minutes, 38 secondsOkay, that’s a cover story. Uhhuh.
30:40
30 minutes, 40 secondsThe reason that Kennedy was really killed in my opinion and the record sort of substantiates this is because he signed a directive called the national
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30 minutes, 49 secondssecurity NSA INSAM of 27
30:55
30 minutes, 55 seconds263 273 or 263 that he was going to remove troops from Vietnam and he wasn’t
31:02
31 minutes, 2 secondsgoing to put any more men in Vietnam to be killed. And that’s one of the things that he was going to do when he came back from Dallas. He signed that
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31 minutes, 10 secondsdirective. Okay. And then that directive was over rode by directive 263 or 273
31:20
31 minutes, 20 secondsby LBJ uh 4 days after Kennedy was killed. Right.
31:25
31 minutes, 25 secondsSo the motive there in my opinion was uh over the Vietnam situation that Kennedy
31:32
31 minutes, 32 secondswas not going to support Vietnam. after his death, we escalated the fight in Vietnam
31:40
31 minutes, 40 secondsuh and put more troops in. So Kennedy was going to pull troops out. Elements within our government said,
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31 minutes, 48 seconds”No, we’re going to put troops in.” And that led to the killing of a president.
31:53
31 minutes, 53 secondsThat’s my my take. Tosh Plumy, a person who was at Deal Plaza the day the president of the United States was
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32 minuteskilled, giving us a unique and powerful perspective on how it was done, why it was done. So, thank you for some time
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32 minutes, 9 secondstalking about your life, your interesting life, and about the death of our great president TSH Plumy on the Red
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32:33
32 minutes, 33 secondsWalter M. Sterling with Jake Novak on the Red Apple Audio Networks. Jake app Jake Novak, excuse me. Top five stories
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32 minutes, 42 secondsat five o’clock. Jake Novak, what do you view as the top two stories at five o’clock?
32:51
32 minutes, 51 secondsOh, Jake isn’t in yet. All right, hold on. Hold on. Let me review. Hello. It’s 40 minutes past the hour.
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32 minutes, 59 secondsYes, I’m a professional host. Don’t give me crap. Now, they got the second guy in the shooting of the baby girl in Brooklyn. Do you know this horrible story? There was a baby girl,
